From: Robert Rothenberg Date: 13:42 on 11 Dec 2006 Subject: Viewers without a "reload" command I have the enviable task of creating an A1-sized poster in LaTeX. I prefer to proof-read the generated PDF or PostScript file. Alas, gpdf and Acrobat Reader do not have a "reload" command. So I have to close the document and reload it after every change. Tedious. How f***ing hard is it to implement a keyboard command like Ctrl-R to reload the document? Evince has this feature, but (joy!) but it has layout problems with A1-sized pages.
From: H.Merijn Brand Date: 14:17 on 11 Dec 2006 Subject: Re: Viewers without a "reload" command On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:42:59 +0000, Robert Rothenberg <robrwo@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > I have the enviable task of creating an A1-sized poster in LaTeX. I prefer > to proof-read the generated PDF or PostScript file. > > Alas, gpdf and Acrobat Reader do not have a "reload" command. So I have to > close the document and reload it after every change. Tedious. xpdf has 'r' > How f***ing hard is it to implement a keyboard command like Ctrl-R to reload > the document? > > Evince has this feature, but (joy!) but it has layout problems with A1-sized > pages.
From: A. Pagaltzis Date: 14:29 on 11 Dec 2006 Subject: Re: Viewers without a "reload" command * Robert Rothenberg <robrwo@xxxxx.xxx> [2006-12-11 14:45]: > How f***ing hard is it to implement a keyboard command like > Ctrl-R to reload the document? Why even have to reload? The viewer should watch the file's mtime and reload automatically. Regards,
From: Stephen Deken Date: 14:39 on 11 Dec 2006 Subject: Re: Viewers without a "reload" command On 12/11/06, A. Pagaltzis <pagaltzis@xxx.xx> wrote: > Why even have to reload? The viewer should watch the file's mtime > and reload automatically. Then when I'm looking at a document that gets updated on a schedule, I can write another missive here to complain about this 'feature'. --sjd;
From: H.Merijn Brand Date: 14:40 on 11 Dec 2006 Subject: Re: Viewers without a "reload" command On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:29:33 +0100, "A. Pagaltzis" <pagaltzis@xxx.xx> wrote: > * Robert Rothenberg <robrwo@xxxxx.xxx> [2006-12-11 14:45]: > > How f***ing hard is it to implement a keyboard command like > > Ctrl-R to reload the document? > > Why even have to reload? The viewer should watch the file's mtime > and reload automatically. Optionally I hope. I loathe systems that refresh based on unintended timings. Lets assume I was just measuring up a box with my physical ruler ... Or assume I'm creating *BIG* documents, and I'm checking layout. I saw one generic flaw on page 3 through 7, and am now perusing at page 342. Meanwhile I restarted the generation in the background so I can check if my fix worked. Get it?
From: Abigail Date: 14:45 on 11 Dec 2006 Subject: Re: Viewers without a "reload" command --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 03:40:41PM +0100, H.Merijn Brand wrote: > On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:29:33 +0100, "A. Pagaltzis" <pagaltzis@xxx.xx> wro= te: >=20 > > * Robert Rothenberg <robrwo@xxxxx.xxx> [2006-12-11 14:45]: > > > How f***ing hard is it to implement a keyboard command like > > > Ctrl-R to reload the document? > >=20 > > Why even have to reload? The viewer should watch the file's mtime > > and reload automatically. >=20 > Optionally I hope. > I loathe systems that refresh based on unintended timings. >=20 > Lets assume I was just measuring up a box with my physical ruler ... >=20 > Or assume I'm creating *BIG* documents, and I'm checking layout. I > saw one generic flaw on page 3 through 7, and am now perusing at > page 342. Meanwhile I restarted the generation in the background so > I can check if my fix worked. Get it? The xpdf you suggested in a previous post does just that, without having that toggable. Well, it won't check if you're leaving xpdf alone, but it will if you switch to a new page (and maybe even if you scroll in the current page). I don't think it will restart from page 1 though. Abigail --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFfW8SBOh7Ggo6rasRAoYeAJ9h18jG3OG+J5Qi8JbViwfgRHy1MACbBZSx Kk5Vt0euin1oqwqBs23wFTs= =1nI0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9amGYk9869ThD9tj--
From: H.Merijn Brand Date: 15:08 on 11 Dec 2006 Subject: Re: Viewers without a "reload" command On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:45:38 +0100, Abigail <abigail@xxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 03:40:41PM +0100, H.Merijn Brand wrote: > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:29:33 +0100, "A. Pagaltzis" <pagaltzis@xxx.xx> wrote: > > > > > * Robert Rothenberg <robrwo@xxxxx.xxx> [2006-12-11 14:45]: > > > > How f***ing hard is it to implement a keyboard command like > > > > Ctrl-R to reload the document? > > > > > > Why even have to reload? The viewer should watch the file's mtime > > > and reload automatically. > > > > Optionally I hope. > > I loathe systems that refresh based on unintended timings. > > > > Lets assume I was just measuring up a box with my physical ruler ... > > > > Or assume I'm creating *BIG* documents, and I'm checking layout. I > > saw one generic flaw on page 3 through 7, and am now perusing at > > page 342. Meanwhile I restarted the generation in the background so > > I can check if my fix worked. Get it? > > The xpdf you suggested in a previous post does just that, without > having that toggable. Well, it won't check if you're leaving xpdf > alone, but it will if you switch to a new page (and maybe even if > you scroll in the current page). I'm aware of (some of the) xpdf shortcomings, and I didn't say I use xpdf to view all my pdf docs. I quite often use pdftotext, especially if the author of the doc decided to use Courier or Times New Roman, but that is a completely different kind of hatred. I (try to) take the best tool for the job at hand, and it's not always perl I use :) > I don't think it will restart from page 1 though.
From: Peter da Silva Date: 15:40 on 11 Dec 2006 Subject: Re: Viewers without a "reload" command On Dec 11, 2006, at 8:29 AM, A. Pagaltzis wrote: > * Robert Rothenberg <robrwo@xxxxx.xxx> [2006-12-11 14:45]: >> How f***ing hard is it to implement a keyboard command like >> Ctrl-R to reload the document? > Why even have to reload? The viewer should watch the file's mtime > and reload automatically. If it does that I should be able to disable it so it doesn't start spinning up my CD drive/attempt a network connection and hang/otherwise try and get hold of a document that's too "far away" to make that acceptable. Why, yes, that's hateful experience you're hearing.
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