From: Robert Rothenberg Date: 20:57 on 15 Dec 2007 Subject: Yet another online banking hate I try to pay bills using HSBC's website. First off, when paying in Briti= sh currency, the =A3 and p fields are separate. So you cannot pay a bill for =A346.32. You pay a bill for =A346 and 32p. Didn't "decimalisation" happen sometime in '71? It's not like I have to = pay bills in combinations of guieas, crowns, pounds, shillings, and pence. That's minor hate. The stupidity that really gets my ire is that if I wan= t to pay a bill if some even number of pounds, it won't just let me enter "= 0" for the p field--- doing so gives an error that it cannot process the payment, with no explanation why. It works if I enter "00" in the p field. Grrr. Rob.
From: Andrew Black - lists Date: 11:59 on 16 Dec 2007 Subject: Re: Yet another online banking hate Robert Rothenberg wrote: > That's minor hate. The stupidity that really gets my ire is that if I want > to pay a bill if some even number of pounds, it won't just let me enter "0" > for the p field--- doing so gives an error that it cannot process the > payment, with no explanation why. I once had to pay a bill for say £123.4 which I entered as 123<tab>4 It interpreted this as £123.04 and I got a red bill for 36p. It seems they have change the interface a bit if it will only accept 00p now.
From: Rory McCann Date: 18:21 on 16 Dec 2007 Subject: Re: Yet another online banking hate This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig12184BC0689ADB8AC04799B4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert Rothenberg wrote: > Didn't "decimalisation" happen sometime in '71? It's not like I have t= o pay > bills in combinations of guieas, crowns, pounds, shillings, and pence. I encountered something similar. I was helping my mother pay her yearly b= in charges online. It was about =E2=82=AC200. The interface only accepted ce= nt (remember =E2=82=AC1 =3D 100 cent), and it advised that to enter =E2=82=AC200.00, you had to = put in 20000 into the field. Needless to say my mother was not too keen on doing that, just= in case it interpreted it as =E2=82=AC20,000. Honestly, how hard is to to parse currency?! Rory --------------enig12184BC0689ADB8AC04799B4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHZWySfM8hGU8tATMRAsDvAKDnGqfBWGn7CjoDHZ93NkTqNX9e1wCg0Ob4 3FaMg3DXEMGRU+ZllhsaUvI= =+gA/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig12184BC0689ADB8AC04799B4--
From: David Cantrell Date: 18:16 on 17 Dec 2007 Subject: Re: Yet another online banking hate On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 08:57:21PM +0000, Robert Rothenberg wrote: > That's minor hate. The stupidity that really gets my ire is that if I want > to pay a bill if some even number of pounds, it won't just let me enter "0" > for the p field--- doing so gives an error that it cannot process the > payment, with no explanation why. > It works if I enter "00" in the p field. Until very recently I could tell Barclays that I wanted to make a payment on, eg, 3/1/2008. Now I have to pay on 03/01/2008.
From: H.Merijn Brand Date: 18:27 on 17 Dec 2007 Subject: Re: Yet another online banking hate On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:16:08 +0000, David Cantrell <david@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> wrote: > On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 08:57:21PM +0000, Robert Rothenberg wrote: > > > That's minor hate. The stupidity that really gets my ire is that if I want > > to pay a bill if some even number of pounds, it won't just let me enter "0" > > for the p field--- doing so gives an error that it cannot process the > > payment, with no explanation why. > > It works if I enter "00" in the p field. > > Until very recently I could tell Barclays that I wanted to make a > payment on, eg, 3/1/2008. Now I have to pay on 03/01/2008. DD/MM or MM/DD ? HATE!
From: Phil Pennock Date: 18:52 on 17 Dec 2007 Subject: Re: Yet another online banking hate On 2007-12-17 at 19:27 +0100, H.Merijn Brand wrote: > On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:16:08 +0000, David Cantrell <david@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> > wrote: > > Until very recently I could tell Barclays that I wanted to make a > > payment on, eg, 3/1/2008. Now I have to pay on 03/01/2008. > > DD/MM or MM/DD ? HATE! Barclays is British and therefore handle this in the same way as the rest of the non-American world, dd/mm/yyyy.
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_Hellstr=F6m?= Date: 19:22 on 17 Dec 2007 Subject: Re: Yet another online banking hate On 17 dec 2007, at 19.52, Phil Pennock wrote: > On 2007-12-17 at 19:27 +0100, H.Merijn Brand wrote: >> On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:16:08 +0000, David Cantrell >> <david@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> >> wrote: >>> Until very recently I could tell Barclays that I wanted to make a >>> payment on, eg, 3/1/2008. Now I have to pay on 03/01/2008. >> >> DD/MM or MM/DD ? HATE! > > Barclays is British and therefore handle this in the same way as the > rest of the non-American world, dd/mm/yyyy. > What an american thing to say. The rest of Britain perhaps. We tend to use yyyy-mm-dd here in Sweden, a country which I'm led to believe is a full member of non-America. - Anders
From: Phil Pennock Date: 19:31 on 17 Dec 2007 Subject: Re: Yet another online banking hate On 2007-12-17 at 20:22 +0100, Anders Hellström wrote: > On 17 dec 2007, at 19.52, Phil Pennock wrote: >> On 2007-12-17 at 19:27 +0100, H.Merijn Brand wrote: >>> On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:16:08 +0000, David Cantrell >>> <david@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> >>> wrote: >>>> Until very recently I could tell Barclays that I wanted to make a >>>> payment on, eg, 3/1/2008. Now I have to pay on 03/01/2008. >>> >>> DD/MM or MM/DD ? HATE! >> >> Barclays is British and therefore handle this in the same way as the >> rest of the non-American world, dd/mm/yyyy. >> > > What an american thing to say. The rest of Britain perhaps. We tend to use > yyyy-mm-dd here in Sweden, a country which I'm led to believe is a full > member of non-America. That's right, Mr Troll. That's ISO 8601, and when yyyy comes first it's yyyy-mm-dd, no exceptions. The only issue is what happens when the year comes _last_. There are two options (assuming 4-digit years (hah!)), and the USA uses one, everyone else uses the other. The Americans went "we're replacing a name with a number, that's all, so Dec 17th, 2007 becomes 12-17-2007" whereas everyone else went "mixing up ascending and descending numbers like that is something only those people who, years from now, will design the PDP computers will think is right; that's crazy and wrong". -Phil
From: Peter da Silva Date: 20:12 on 17 Dec 2007 Subject: Re: Yet another online banking hate On 2007-12-17, at 13:31, Phil Pennock wrote: > The Americans went "we're replacing a name with a number, that's > all, so > Dec 17th, 2007 becomes 12-17-2007" whereas everyone else went > "mixing up > ascending and descending numbers like that is something only those > people who, years from now, will design the PDP computers will > think is > right; that's crazy and wrong". All of which is why I use the (military, I believe) "DD-MMM-[CC]YY" format when writing dates casually. The only mixed-endianness in the PDP-11 was in floating point, and I don't think it was a factor until the 11/70 came out: the older floating point processor was a completely incompatible memory-mapped design. So I don't think it's fair to say that the people who designed the PDP-11 thought it was right... the FP-11 was a box thrown over the wall from another planet. Planet Hate.
From: Phil Pennock Date: 20:55 on 17 Dec 2007 Subject: Re: Yet another online banking hate On 2007-12-17 at 14:12 -0600, Peter da Silva wrote: > the FP-11 was a box thrown over the wall from another planet. A declaration of war? -Phil
From: Ann Barcomb Date: 19:16 on 17 Dec 2007 Subject: Re: Yet another online banking hate Rory McCann's mail reminded me of American ATM machines. In the Netherlands, if I want 20 euros, I type in '20'. In the US, if I want $20, for some reason I have to enter '2000' despite the fact that the least amount of money I can get from the machine is $10. From my perspective, it would make the most amount of sense if 0.00 were fixed and you started filling out the 10s spot, although I can understand why the Dutch machines make you start at the 1s. The American design, however, is just plain retarded.
From: Abigail Date: 20:58 on 17 Dec 2007 Subject: Re: Yet another online banking hate --ibTvN161/egqYuK8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 08:16:24PM +0100, Ann Barcomb wrote: > Rory McCann's mail reminded me of American ATM machines. In the=20 > Netherlands, > if I want 20 euros, I type in '20'. In the US, if I want $20, for some > reason I have to enter '2000' despite the fact that the least amount > of money I can get from the machine is $10. I have encountered ATM machines in the USA that happily give you amounts with a $1 granularity. (For additional hate: I once ended up getting $2 from an ATM machine (instead of $200); and when I tried again it whined=20 "oh, no, you already used this machine today, you'll have to wait another day"). Of course, that still doesn't mean you should have to type the=20 trailing 00s. > From my perspective, it would make the most amount of sense if 0.00 were > fixed and you started filling out the 10s spot, although I can understand > why the Dutch machines make you start at the 1s. The American design, > however, is just plain retarded. Many Dutch machines also carry EUR 5 notes, so I presume getting an amount of (10k + 5) EUR for some k is possible. I'll try next time I get money. Abigail --ibTvN161/egqYuK8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHZuMKBOh7Ggo6rasRAmBGAJsEoG1ocqm1aua3pafqTxn03hRqHwCdFzG+ eUVpthQFHVKJWu3oqJnLcDE= =afOA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ibTvN161/egqYuK8--
From: Darrell Fuhriman Date: 14:14 on 19 Dec 2007 Subject: Re: Yet another online banking hate > I have encountered ATM machines in the USA that happily give you =20 > amounts > with a $1 granularity. (For additional hate: I once ended up =20 > getting $2 > Wow. I've never seen such a thing =96 back in the dirt poor days, I =20 used to know where all the machines that gave out $5 bills were, in =20 case I didn't have $20 in my checking account, but have never seen =20 one that gave out $1 bills. > "oh, no, you already used this machine today, you'll have to wait =20 > another > day"). Of course, that still doesn't mean you should have to type the > trailing 00s. Ooo... that is hateful. My bank just won't let me take more than a =20 certain amount (I think $500) in one day, but it doesn't care how =20 many times I use it. >> Many Dutch machines also carry EUR 5 notes, so I presume getting =20 >> an amount > of (10k + 5) EUR for some k is possible. I'll try next time I get =20 > money. I always liked the fact that European (for German values thereof) =20 gave a mix of notes =96 never understood why US machines don't. =20 Probably would confuse the poor machine since the notes are all the =20 same physical size or something. It's also (IMO) why the $20 note =20 got the name "Yuppy food coupon" and why retail places tend to get =20 annoyed if you give them $50 or $100 notes =96 no one uses them much. Tangent: have USians noticed that the $10 bill isn't as common as it =20= used to be? Take a look at the cash registers while shopping =96 =20 you'll see a lot more $20 and $5 notes that you will $10. Odd. Darrell
From: Abigail Date: 16:07 on 19 Dec 2007 Subject: Re: Yet another online banking hate --sXc4Kmr5FA7axrvy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 09:14:02AM -0500, Darrell Fuhriman wrote: > >I have encountered ATM machines in the USA that happily give you =20 > >amounts > >with a $1 granularity. (For additional hate: I once ended up =20 > >getting $2 > > >=20 > Wow. I've never seen such a thing ? back in the dirt poor days, I =20 > used to know where all the machines that gave out $5 bills were, in =20 > case I didn't have $20 in my checking account, but have never seen =20 > one that gave out $1 bills. Genuardi's in Norristown has (or used to have) an ATM dispensing $1 bills. > >"oh, no, you already used this machine today, you'll have to wait =20 > >another > >day"). Of course, that still doesn't mean you should have to type the > >trailing 00s. >=20 > Ooo... that is hateful. My bank just won't let me take more than a =20 > certain amount (I think $500) in one day, but it doesn't care how =20 > many times I use it. Well, my bank doesn't care either, so it was either the dispensing=20 bank, or the machine itself. I just used a different card to get money. I think this was either the airport in Atlanta or Orlando. > >>Many Dutch machines also carry EUR 5 notes, so I presume getting =20 > >>an amount > >of (10k + 5) EUR for some k is possible. I'll try next time I get =20 > >money. >=20 > I always liked the fact that European (for German values thereof) =20 > gave a mix of notes ? Well, it depends from ATM to ATM! I usually draw EUR 200 (so I don't have to use the machine that often) from an ATM, and it's always a gamble whether I get any say in which notes I want. Once (in Austria), I got 2 x 100, many give 4 x 50, others give 2 x 50 + 5 x 20, and my preferred kind gives me four or five options to choose from. > never understood why US machines don't. =20 As I said, more than once (twice actually, one time just to try out whether it would give me US 99 (it did), and once by accident (typing 200 instead of 20000) I've gotten single dollar bills from an ATM. No idea how common they are. > Probably would confuse the poor machine since the notes are all the =20 > same physical size or something. It's also (IMO) why the $20 note =20 > got the name "Yuppy food coupon" and why retail places tend to get =20 > annoyed if you give them $50 or $100 notes ? no one uses them much. >=20 > Tangent: have USians noticed that the $10 bill isn't as common as it =20 > used to be? Take a look at the cash registers while shopping ? =20 > you'll see a lot more $20 and $5 notes that you will $10. Odd. Isn't the bulk of US cash transactions handled by the $20 note, the $1 note and the quarter?=20 Ob. hate: Machines validating parking tickets that don't accept EUR 0.05 coins as payment, but happily swallowing them, not indicating it's not accepting them as payment, and not giving them back. Abigail --sXc4Kmr5FA7axrvy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHaUGnBOh7Ggo6rasRAnsaAKCeGYx4lpz9BtZjtnVpeBa5CMHz3ACdExhq zeij5eDvZOYXqr1jXb5EBWA= =EEPO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sXc4Kmr5FA7axrvy--
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